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Post by Tizu on Jun 6, 2013 11:54:43 GMT -5
I wonder what the school / athletic program / Coach Williams will do about this? I suspect he will be suspended for a short time and then re-instated, but since it is the off-season, who knows what, if anything, they will do to him.
I personally don't advocate doing anything illegal, but to me, smoking pot is not that big of a deal. What are your thoughts? Do you think the NCAA will punish him further?
In addition to the marijuana possession charge, he was also driving without a driver license.
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Post by Ken D on Jun 6, 2013 14:59:45 GMT -5
I have a hard time working up any outrage about using pot. If you are going to punish athletes for doing stuff regular students don't do, you'd have to punish the athletes who DON'T smoke pot.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Jun 6, 2013 17:44:05 GMT -5
Point-by-point (for me):
1) What will UNC/Athletic Dept/Coach Williams do? Would guess that would be left up to Coach Williams/the basketball coaching staff, and I would be willing to bet there would be some degree of disciplinary action taken by Coach Williams at the team level; just "what", in my opinion, is really no one else's business. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if there was a suspension, but I don't care either way - by the time the State-UNC games roll around it'll be January, for crying out loud.
2) I don't advocate doing anything illegal either, but I did it anyway coming home from work - I cruised the majority of I-540 at 75 MPH. Shoot me. Smoking pot may not be "that big of a deal", and I am by no means naive to all of this, but I would think smoking anything or using any type of drugs would be somewhat counter-intuitive to an athlete that needs to take care of his/her body. As far as the NCAA goes, their collective heads are so far up their collective asses, I couldn't care less what any of their opinions would be on what one single person's fate should be for possessing less than ounce of ganja. Personally, I think the NCAA has bigger fish to fry, starting with not looking like a touring group of assclowns 24/7.
3) The driver's license issue does bother me, mainly due to the fact that he's already due in court on a speeding ticket and, for whatever reason, in this latest case it appears his license was already suspended. THAT, as much as anything, is what bothers me the most - not so much that it affects his LITERAL ability to drive, but the fact that he's already had a brush with the law, it affected his LEGAL ability to drive and yet he went out and drove again in direct defiance of the law (if I'm understanding the facts, correctly).
I don't care that he's a UNC player, State's had plenty of kids run afoul of the law, so have other schools. That being said, he has to know that any crowd outside of a UNC home crowd is sure to let him hear about it - it's the way of the world.
Rage? No. Shaking my head? Yes - he's a rising senior, a leader of the team, one would think he would be in position to be looked at to provide leadership, then this. Oh well, not my problem .....
Go Pack
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Post by rdi73162 on Jun 6, 2013 19:18:06 GMT -5
I`d have no problem if he didnt make an early season trip or missed the first few "reg" season games, Anything longer than thats too harsh. IMO
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Post by Ken D on Jun 6, 2013 19:20:31 GMT -5
I don't know that there's much evidence that smoking a little weed during the offseason has much of a negative effect on an athlete's body. I agree the license issue is more problematic.
BTW, Marty, he's a rising Junior. I believe McDonald is the only senior on next year's squad. By the time the season rolls around, this will pretty much be a dead issue everywhere except WRAL's smack talk forums. There, it will still have a shelf life of two years minimum.
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Post by jgunn on Jun 6, 2013 21:30:34 GMT -5
I wonder what the school / athletic program / Coach Williams will do about this? I suspect he will be suspended for a short time and then re-instated, but since it is the off-season, who knows what, if anything, they will do to him. I personally don't advocate doing anything illegal, but to me, smoking pot is not that big of a deal. What are your thoughts? Do you think the NCAA will punish him further? In addition to the marijuana possession charge, he was also driving without a driver license. I don't think weed is a big deal either, but that's just me, and it is illegal (should legalize it and tax it!) Since PJ was caught with an illegal substance AND without a license, some discipline is in order, but I don't think he should be kicked off the team or kicked out of school. How would non-athlete students be treated? PJ should be treated the same. That said, I think some community service would be in order, and if he gets caught again, he should be suspended. |
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Post by jgunn on Jun 6, 2013 21:39:27 GMT -5
P.S. I would have voted, but none of the categories worked for me. I would like to see him do community service - make a positive out of something negative. But Hairston needs to know if there's a next time, he's out on his keister.
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Post by Tizu on Jun 7, 2013 6:51:10 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the driver license issue is more problematic than the half ounce of "Mary Jane" and that is what deserves to be looked at due to the face that he already lost his license and he defied the law by driving without it.
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Post by cuss on Jun 7, 2013 12:39:22 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the driver license issue is more problematic than the half ounce of "Mary Jane" and that is what deserves to be looked at due to the face that he already lost his license and he defied the law by driving without it. I don't have much of a problem with the pot. And, I can say driving without his license isn't much of a problem either. We don't know if he has license and he forgot them, although I've had that happen to me and didn't get a ticket. I do have a problem with the gun. A gun being found outside of his car for me is a problem. I don't know if he had the gun or one of his passengers had it. But, throwing it out of a car, and it could have been picked up later by anyone is a problem for me. However, if the gun wasn't his then I don't see how he could be responsible for that. As far as I know, they haven't tied the gun to him. All around poor judgment for P.J. I think he will serve some serious punishment from Roy. If the gun is found to be his responsibility, then I thinking he should be removed from the team. One other thing, the car was a rental. I don't think you can rent a car without a license. The next problem that will come from this is who rented the car. This could result in an NCAA violation if "the wrong person" rented the car and Hairston was driving it. A bit more of a problem than using a water hose to wash a car. |
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Post by cuss on Jun 7, 2013 12:42:31 GMT -5
P.S. I would have voted, but none of the categories worked for me. I would like to see him do community service - make a positive out of something negative. But Hairston needs to know if there's a next time, he's out on his keister. Me either gunny. I'm not sure all the facts are in yet. I'm going to wait and see what all the facts are before choosing a punishment. |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Jun 7, 2013 17:30:38 GMT -5
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Post by Tizu on Jun 10, 2013 6:21:47 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the driver license issue is more problematic than the half ounce of "Mary Jane" and that is what deserves to be looked at due to the face that he already lost his license and he defied the law by driving without it. I don't have much of a problem with the pot. And, I can say driving without his license isn't much of a problem either. We don't know if he has license and he forgot them, although I've had that happen to me and didn't get a ticket. I do have a problem with the gun. A gun being found outside of his car for me is a problem. I don't know if he had the gun or one of his passengers had it. But, throwing it out of a car, and it could have been picked up later by anyone is a problem for me. However, if the gun wasn't his then I don't see how he could be responsible for that. As far as I know, they haven't tied the gun to him. All around poor judgment for P.J. I think he will serve some serious punishment from Roy. If the gun is found to be his responsibility, then I thinking he should be removed from the team. One other thing, the car was a rental. I don't think you can rent a car without a license. The next problem that will come from this is who rented the car. This could result in an NCAA violation if "the wrong person" rented the car and Hairston was driving it. A bit more of a problem than using a water hose to wash a car. Cuss, The gun issue is one that I forgot to mention. The reason he could potentially get in trouble, is 1). To my knowledge noone had a concealed carry permit so carrying it concealed in a vehicle is problematic. Further, the SUV he was driving was a rental. To my knowledge you have to be 25 to rent a car and none of those in the car were 25 or over, were they? This could be a potential "impermissible benefit" in the eyes of they NCAA, especially if it was some agent or something like that who rented it for them. Personally, I don't think that's the case and don't feel the NCAA should be involved unless it can be proven it was an agent of some sort. I have a feeling more details will come about on this issue as time goes on. |
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Post by mattncsu02 on Jun 10, 2013 20:28:05 GMT -5
Let the boy smoke some left handed cigarettes! Maybe he'll slow down and not be able to shoot as well next year.  Seriously though, no big deal on the pot. The license......well, the way illegals drive around without licenses, why should it matter for P.J. I'm not saying it's right, but one basketball player without a license is a drop in the bucket of a major problem with non-licensed drivers. The gun.......that's a problem. If it's his and he threw it out, then he needs some serous punishment for endangering others. But, I'm a firm believer in the right to concealed carry, so if he has a permit for it, it's all good, except for the throwing it out part. Not cool P.J., not cool at all. |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Jun 11, 2013 5:25:43 GMT -5
Why would he throw the gun out if he had a permit?
At a minimum, this is "bad decision making" on his part.
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Post by fan72 on Jun 16, 2013 11:00:50 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the driver license issue is more problematic than the half ounce of "Mary Jane" and that is what deserves to be looked at due to the face that he already lost his license and he defied the law by driving without it. I was unaware that he had lost his license due to some previous offense. When was this made public? I thought maybe he just didn't have it with him and it was not that big of a deal. The issue with which I am most concerned is the gun. Was it tossed by someone in the vehicle? Whose prints if any were on the gun? Why risk serious injury with a gun if he was just out to have a good time with some friends? Please read the following with the sarcasm it is intended to convey: PJ, don't you know nothing good happens to a Tar Heel when visiting Durham?! |
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Post by Tizu on Jul 10, 2013 6:10:32 GMT -5
This issue keeps getting deeper. Apparently there's now two vehicles PJ was driving that links back to "Fats". Fats denies knowing PJ, but really, does anyone believe that?
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Post by cvholt87 on Jul 11, 2013 8:58:20 GMT -5
This isn't even scratching the surface of what goes on over there.
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Post by cvholt87 on Jul 12, 2013 15:12:00 GMT -5
PJ admitted to the Durham Police Department that "Fats" rented the vehicle for him to go to ATL... LinkAlso, from what I understand this has pretty much dominated the talk down at the Nike Peach Jam this week. Rumors flying around the camp said there was more to come out but I'm not sure if this is it. |
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Post by Tizu on Jul 15, 2013 6:15:12 GMT -5
This whole thing stinks, big time. It looks to go much much deeper than I originally thought, especially since now it appears boosters (Dentists for UNC) were involved...not looking good at all. However, if no one talks to the NCAA, there may not be anything they can do about it.
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Post by cvholt87 on Oct 16, 2013 18:23:29 GMT -5
Some interesting tweets from Miykaels mother (PJ's "friend") during this whole ordeal. Only bring this up because there are rumors swirling that she actually talked to the NCAA.
@bbgirl0121: @ericprisbell this isn't what I expected so whenever you are ready to chat on or off the record...
@bbgirl0121: @devildj32 @dukeofhoops I am..you haven't heard the last..the truth is coming out
@bbgirl0121: The perp walks and the passenger gets probation...
@bbgirl0121: @wufwuf1 well if the NCAA comes snooping around my door they are going to get the truth..and so will good ole Roy..
@bbgirl0121: Your car...your weed...you drive...you speed..
@bbgirl0121: I must admit job well done!!!#majorcoverup
@bbgirl0121: Just know I will not lie to the folks those peeps. ..#NCAA
And this was tweeted today...
@bbgirl0121: Basketball season should be interesting...let's see if there will be unforseen injuries or academically ineligible
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