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Post by Tizu on Apr 22, 2013 14:27:32 GMT -5
Interesting, indeed. See details from this ESPN ArticleYour thoughts? |
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Post by Ken D on Apr 22, 2013 14:36:14 GMT -5
I doubt this has been court tested yet. So it's hard to say whether it would have the desired effect. It would be interesting to know if any member schools objected to this measure, and whether they would be legally bound by it if they were to leave now rather than accept it (like Maryland did with the exit fee issue).
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Post by Tizu on Apr 22, 2013 14:48:46 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out for sure. If it truly does protect the league as a whole and keeps the members here, then I think it's probably a good thing as we won't be losing anymore members.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 22, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5
"Sim Carstairs: Ten year I been ferryin' Kansas Redlegs, Union cavalry, Missouri guerillas... you name it. Mad dogs them guerillas. You look sideways at 'em...
[snaps a rope like a noose]
Sim Carstairs: they kill ya.
Carpetbagger: Sound like hard men to do business with.
Sim Carstairs: You bet. You know in my line of work, you gotta be able either to sing The Battle Hymn Of The Republic or Dixie with equal enthusiasm... dependin' upon present company.
Carpetbagger: Can't say as I blame you for that. Only good business to play it safe."
Only good business to play it safe, indeed. Of course, the ACC is not the first conference to inact such a thing, but it is - wait for it - good business nonetheless.
BONUS POINTS: Name the movie I referenced.
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Post by Tizu on Apr 23, 2013 7:46:19 GMT -5
The Outlaw Josey Wales?
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Post by Ken D on Apr 23, 2013 8:35:44 GMT -5
Some smart lawyer figured out this new poison pill to lock in members. Somehow, I suspect another smart lawyer will figure a way around it. For a start, it seems to only deal with rights to the departing school's home games. That would seem to indicate a network, which has a lot of league games to choose from every week, could simply only show those teams when they are on the road. That's still at least four league games a year.
This is a relatively new dodge. And it would seem to have the result of leaving three major conferences stuck at 14 members, which is an awkward number. Since there aren't many attractive teams left to poach from the mid-major conferences, I have to believe they will find a way around this.
Of course, for the ACC and Big XII, the solution may be simple. Merge, giving you a 24 team league. Take that, B1G and SEC!
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Post by Ken D on Apr 23, 2013 9:57:29 GMT -5
Link this thread in your mind with my thread about a professional college football league. Now imagine some congressman or senator reading this latest development and thinking: "This is the last straw. These universities aren't behaving like the tax-exempt educational institutions they are supposed to be. They are acting like for-profit corporations engaged in an epic war for market share. And they are doing it by exploiting student athletes, while lining their own pockets with gold."
What comes next for that politician?
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 23, 2013 17:20:40 GMT -5
Yep - one of my favorites. Couldn't help but think of this scene when I read Ken's thread on this and thought about "good business".  |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 23, 2013 17:21:56 GMT -5
Link this thread in your mind with my thread about a professional college football league. Now imagine some congressman or senator reading this latest development and thinking: "This is the last straw. These universities aren't behaving like the tax-exempt educational institutions they are supposed to be. They are acting like for-profit corporations engaged in an epic war for market share. And they are doing it by exploiting student athletes, while lining their own pockets with gold." What comes next for that politician? He gets assigned to a weather station above the Arctic Circle. MOVIE? |
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Post by Ken D on Apr 23, 2013 17:30:14 GMT -5
So what does the B1G do now, if it wants to get to 16 teams? Same with the SEC. Every major conference east of Colorado except the SEC has put an electrified fence around its current members. That leaves the new AAC, the MAC, and the Sunbelt to shop from. Did UConn and Cincy's stock just go up?
Or do you think the unthinkable, and look to the SEC? Perhaps Missouri and Vanderbilt. For those two, the money is comparable, the geography is comparable (better for Missouri) and the competition is easier. For the B1G, they are two schools they don't need to make apologies for, academics-wise. The B1G ends at 16, and the SEC goes back to 12. Both are rational sizes.
That leaves the ACC to move up to 16 to finish the game (except for the Big XII, which now has to look to the west for further expansion). My money would be on UConn in all sports, and Navy for football only, leaving both football and hoops at 16 members. Maybe Cincy gets a chance to move up to the big leagues as an eastern partner for West Virginia, since they help fill the gap between Iowa State and Morgantown.
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Post by Ken D on Apr 23, 2013 17:59:01 GMT -5
Link this thread in your mind with my thread about a professional college football league. Now imagine some congressman or senator reading this latest development and thinking: "This is the last straw. These universities aren't behaving like the tax-exempt educational institutions they are supposed to be. They are acting like for-profit corporations engaged in an epic war for market share. And they are doing it by exploiting student athletes, while lining their own pockets with gold." What comes next for that politician? He gets assigned to a weather station above the Arctic Circle. MOVIE? Hint: You gotta love Bill Murray. |
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Post by Tizu on Apr 24, 2013 10:18:00 GMT -5
Haha! Stripes!
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 24, 2013 20:48:52 GMT -5
Thanks for playing movie trivia, Tiz!
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Post by Ken D on Apr 25, 2013 7:43:21 GMT -5
Thanks for playing movie trivia, Tiz! I don't think he'd have gotten it if I hadn't given him a hint. |
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Post by Ken D on Apr 25, 2013 7:48:17 GMT -5
Back to the original thread, do you guys think this stops realignment, as some pundits think? Does West Virginia get left stranded on an island in the Big XII? Do the power conferences stop at 14? This is beginning to sound like an old timey soap opera.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 25, 2013 21:50:31 GMT -5
I actually agree with theories I've seen that forecast "superconferences" of 20-24 schools. I think it's a ways away yet, but I can see that coming to pass as well as possibly a day where the "best" (read: richest, most ethically-challenged, etc.) schools break off (at least in football) and form their own little de-facto NFL minor league (i.e., Alabama, LSU, Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, USC, etc.). The remaining "survivors" then continue to participate in what would would still pass for "quasi-amateur" football; maybe not playing at "the highest level" this side of the NFL like the "schools" in my example above, but still putting on good games between groups of "student-athletes" that might be fairly good football players but that also have a reasonable expectation of a career in something other than football.
My two cents' worth, anyway .....
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Post by Tizu on Apr 29, 2013 7:52:21 GMT -5
I don't think it will stop it completely, but I do believe it will seriously hinder schools moving.
As they say..."Money Talks".
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Post by jgunn on May 10, 2013 17:19:32 GMT -5
I'm in favor of the Grant of Rights. The conference realignments are wreaking havoc on stability, and it was beginning to look like the ACC was ripe for poaching.
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