McAdoo Returning

[jocodevil]

Wow, how do you come up with those catchy names? You are quite creative.

And yes, you are correct.

FACT, the preseason favorite to win it all and overwhelming favorite in the ACC, could not even win the REAL ACC Championship and lost 2 of their last 5. That includes a team with the entire starting 5 back from last year and a couple key reserves. Another flame out year for the Holes, only this time it was earlier than their fan base thought.

Apr 7, 2012 9:40:28 GMT -5 @heelz1 said:

Jock-less - Fact = Dook lost 3 of their last 4 games. This included an 18 point shellacking by UNC at the Kiwi Palace and lowly Lehigh in 1st round of NCAA. Nothing childish there. Just the facts maam. Another flameout year for Dook only this time it was even earlier than usual.

[jocodevil]

BTW, since this thread was about UNC and JMM and you folks just cant seem to stay on topic, I have a question.

I thought we Duke fans have always been told that if a UNC player is a top 10 or lottery pick, Roy and/or Dean always insisted they leave and head to the NBA.

So what happened here? I mean, if this was Duke and K, I am sure all of you Hole fans would be saying what an evil guy he is and he is only thinking about his program. I guess we can now confirm that Roy is the phoniest person on the planet and only does these things he says, when it benefits or does not hurt him.

Roy knows if JMM leaves he is NIT bound next year.

I just love pointing out the hypocritical nature and actions of UNC Chapel Hole.

[Ken D]

First of all, let me point out a typo in your post. You misspelled "Hill". I'm sure that was an accident.

Second, I am sure you have never been told that a Carolina coach, whether it be Smith or Williams, "insists" that a likely high draft pick leave school. The choice is always the player's, not the coach's. And both of these men have always given sincere advice to their players, just the way Coach K does at Duke.

Apparently, what you see as hypocrisy is merely the result of a misunderstanding about what you think you have heard.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

[jocodevil]

Nice try, but sorry, not buying it.

For years and years and years, we have been hearing about UNC's process for whether a kid goes pro or not. And have been told many many times that if the kid is a lottery pick, Deputy Dawg and Dean ALWAYS insist they take the money.

So no, I am not mistaken at all.

We all know Roy is the biggest phony on the planet. Dad gum right we do.

Apr 7, 2012 14:08:26 GMT -5 Ken D said:

First of all, let me point out a typo in your post. You misspelled "Hill". I'm sure that was an accident.

Second, I am sure you have never been told that a Carolina coach, whether it be Smith or Williams, "insists" that a likely high draft pick leave school. The choice is always the player's, not the coach's. And both of these men have always given sincere advice to their players, just the way Coach K does at Duke.

Apparently, what you see as hypocrisy is merely the result of a misunderstanding about what you think you have heard.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

[Ken D]

I've been hearing about that process for a long time as well. I have never heard your version. I think you are being very selective in who you listen to. Yours is a very self-serving version that only a Duke fan would claim.

[heelz1]

Jock-lee, It seems that Ken D just put the "check" on you oh self serving dookie fan! Glad you like my name variety....it is the spice of life you know....variety that is!! LOL!

[Harnett Co. HEEL]

Every article I've read has quoted JMM's father as saying James came home to discuss the decision with his family, and make the choice that is right for him. Roy gave JMM his advice, just like with any other player he has coached, but ultimately the decision is always left up to the player and his family. Do you really think Roy could MAKE any player stay that wanted to enter the draft. Isn't that kidnapping or something??

[jocodevil]

So I guess we disagree. You seem to think your theory is correct and I know mine is.

I have heard it from UNC fans for years and years.

Bash Duke and K when kids stay but it is all good and positive when they stay at UNC. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The Carolina Way.

Apr 7, 2012 17:35:36 GMT -5 Ken D said:

I've been hearing about that process for a long time as well. I have never heard your version. I think you are being very selective in who you listen to. Yours is a very self-serving version that only a Duke fan would claim.

[Ken D]

Just so you understand, joco, I'm not a Carolina fan any more than I'm a Duke fan or a State fan. I just feel a compelling urge to challenge BS when I see it. Sports talk, or at least smack talk, provides plenty such opportunities.

It's hard for me to imagine why you think Carolina fans would be so critical of their own coach as to accuse him of doing what you seem to think he does. Certainly Duke fans wouldn't criticize K that way, and I'm sure both coaches care as much about their players' welfare as any coaches out there. That's why I believe that you are "hearing" what you want to hear - that is, that Roy is a bad person.

I don't mean to criticize you for thinking that way. What you are demonstrating is nothing more than normal in-group behavior. We humans are apparently programmed to think the worst of those who belong to a different tribe, or in-group, than we do. In your case, your in-group is Duke, and anyone associated with Carolina is defined as being in the out-group, and therefore worthy of your contempt. Hatred of the out-group need not be rational - it rarely is - it just needs to be visible to other members of your in-group.

So hate away - we understand where you're coming from.

[Harnett Co. HEEL]

I think you hit the nail (or devil) on the head Ken!!

Happy Easter everyone!!

[jocodevil]

Actually, I am just going by actuality and reality. Really dont care about your psycho babble BS.

I have heard multiple, that is more than 1 or 2 UNC fans describe to me how Deputy Dawg and Dean would insist and basically push UNC players out the door if they were lottery picks. Does nto seem to be happening here with JMM. So UNC hypocrisy is at work here, just like it always is with UNC fans and the romance novel they have going with their school and program.

And I dont care who you root for. You seem to think that I care or that it add some resemblance of objectivity to your post.

It doesnt. We disagree. I know what I have heard and read and I sure do not need to make something like this up for any reason at all. For any type of message board.

So enjoy life in your world and I will do the same.

Apr 8, 2012 12:23:27 GMT -5 Ken D said:

Just so you understand, joco, I'm not a Carolina fan any more than I'm a Duke fan or a State fan. I just feel a compelling urge to challenge BS when I see it. Sports talk, or at least smack talk, provides plenty such opportunities.

It's hard for me to imagine why you think Carolina fans would be so critical of their own coach as to accuse him of doing what you seem to think he does. Certainly Duke fans wouldn't criticize K that way, and I'm sure both coaches care as much about their players' welfare as any coaches out there. That's why I believe that you are "hearing" what you want to hear - that is, that Roy is a bad person.

I don't mean to criticize you for thinking that way. What you are demonstrating is nothing more than normal in-group behavior. We humans are apparently programmed to think the worst of those who belong to a different tribe, or in-group, than we do. In your case, your in-group is Duke, and anyone associated with Carolina is defined as being in the out-group, and therefore worthy of your contempt. Hatred of the out-group need not be rational - it rarely is - it just needs to be visible to other members of your in-group.

So hate away - we understand where you're coming from.

[mattncsu02]

Hey guys, relax....it's Easter.

[Ken D]

I'm sure the world inside your head is very different than the one inside mine. I'm also sure you heard this story just the way you describe it. There are two things that I doubt. The first is that the multiple UNC fans you have talked with about this are privy to the private conversations between Coach Williams and his players. The second is that those fans would trash their own coach and school the way you describe. That part doesn't make sense to me.

I enjoy learning about human behavior - what you lovingly refer to as psycho babble. Rarely is it on display as clearly as it is on message boards like this, which makes it great fun for me. It's almost as much fun as politics, which is pretty similar to sports when it comes to human behavior. For example, and this is only a guess based on a very small number of observations about a single topic, I don't imagine you would describe your politics as liberal.

But liberal or conservative, it's clear where you stand when it comes to Duke vs Carolina, and there is no power in the world that will change the way you feel about that. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[jocodevil]

Little hint, rarely do people act and speak in real life like they do on an anonymous message board. So if you really do enjoy utilizing what little brain you have analyzing folks on message boards, then maybe you ought to spend some time with someone who can help you.

And I am still not sure where I ever said UNC fans were trashing Deputy Dawg or DES. I am not going to go look, but I also believe Dean and Roy have said publicly the exact thoughts I am typing regarding NBA lottery picks.

And I sure do not analyze politics anymore. Waste of time. The right is lying and the left is lying and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I know what I know and that is how I vote. I sure do not need some politico telling me how to think or vote.

Apr 9, 2012 7:29:11 GMT -5 Ken D said:

I'm sure the world inside your head is very different than the one inside mine. I'm also sure you heard this story just the way you describe it. There are two things that I doubt. The first is that the multiple UNC fans you have talked with about this are privy to the private conversations between Coach Williams and his players. The second is that those fans would trash their own coach and school the way you describe. That part doesn't make sense to me.

I enjoy learning about human behavior - what you lovingly refer to as psycho babble. Rarely is it on display as clearly as it is on message boards like this, which makes it great fun for me. It's almost as much fun as politics, which is pretty similar to sports when it comes to human behavior. For example, and this is only a guess based on a very small number of observations about a single topic, I don't imagine you would describe your politics as liberal.

But liberal or conservative, it's clear where you stand when it comes to Duke vs Carolina, and there is no power in the world that will change the way you feel about that. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[heelz1]

No you didnt!!!! ROFL!!!!!

[kdub]

McAdoo's family is on board with him coming back. They said that if he wanted to go pro, they felt he would be ready to play there. But, they also stated that they wanted him to get another year of college in and to mature. And, those are probably the key reasons he is coming back. Two years of college makes it easier for him to finish his degree some point in the future especially when you consider many athletes knock out course work during the summer sessions which allows them to be ahead of their non-athletic peers in terms of matriculation.

I would never term what Dean did and what Roy has done as "pushing them out the door". To say that assumes they interjected themselves directly into the decision and, as far as I know, that isn't what happens. They did/do provide their opinion along with the information gathered from sources within the NBA. I am confident that no UNC player that chose to go to the NBA was forced out of the program (though maybe Jeff McInnis was) and no player was compelled to return to UNC out of the selfishness of a coach. When non-UNC fans harp those two things as being the case, I take it with the appropriate grain of salt.

[jocodevil]

I love fairy tales. Thanks for sharing yours.

Apr 12, 2012 12:52:23 GMT -5 kdub said:

McAdoo's family is on board with him coming back. They said that if he wanted to go pro, they felt he would be ready to play there. But, they also stated that they wanted him to get another year of college in and to mature. And, those are probably the key reasons he is coming back. Two years of college makes it easier for him to finish his degree some point in the future especially when you consider many athletes knock out course work during the summer sessions which allows them to be ahead of their non-athletic peers in terms of matriculation.

I would never term what Dean did and what Roy has done as "pushing them out the door". To say that assumes they interjected themselves directly into the decision and, as far as I know, that isn't what happens. They did/do provide their opinion along with the information gathered from sources within the NBA. I am confident that no UNC player that chose to go to the NBA was forced out of the program (though maybe Jeff McInnis was) and no player was compelled to return to UNC out of the selfishness of a coach. When non-UNC fans harp those two things as being the case, I take it with the appropriate grain of salt.

[kdub]

I take it joco is trying to be Duke's version of Sassie here? I would think that K follows a similar process with his players as well. The only qualm I ever had was when he took his disagreement with William Avery public rather than just taking the high road. Other than that, it seems he has handled his players leaving early the same way.

[Tizu]

Apr 24, 2012 13:31:42 GMT -5 kdub said:

I take it joco is trying to be Duke's version of Sassie here?

Yeah, he's trying...He's been warned. He'll be gone if he keeps it up.