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Post by Tizu on Feb 29, 2012 14:33:45 GMT -5
There's some buzz that UConn and Notre Dame are interested in joining the league. With the recent additions of Syracuse and Pitt, it's not too far of a stretch to say those two are likely. I have questions about ND, simply because of the TV contracts they currently hold...they don't have to share that money with anyone. If the ACC comes up with a sweet deal for them...anything is possible.
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Post by Ken D on Mar 1, 2012 17:01:14 GMT -5
I think Notre Dame should be next, and I think it can be worked out. Don't know about UConn, though. I realize they would be a popular choice based on their basketball success. But that is a very recent development, and may be linked to a coach who I don't believe will be around next season. UConn was insignificant in basketball before Calhoun, and I'm afraid they will be again when he's gone. They bring very little to the football table that a lot of other schools couldn't bring.
I would guess that a second choice would be Rutgers, not because they bring much to the table except the New York market and solid academic reputation, but because I don't think Penn State, my first choice, would even consider leaving the Big Ten. But Notre Dame and Penn State together would make the ACC very attractive to networks.
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Post by Tizu on Mar 1, 2012 17:29:13 GMT -5
I think Notre Dame should be next, and I think it can be worked out. Don't know about UConn, though. I realize they would be a popular choice based on their basketball success. But that is a very recent development, and may be linked to a coach who I don't believe will be around next season. UConn was insignificant in basketball before Calhoun, and I'm afraid they will be again when he's gone. They bring very little to the football table that a lot of other schools couldn't bring. I would guess that a second choice would be Rutgers, not because they bring much to the table except the New York market and solid academic reputation, but because I don't think Penn State, my first choice, would even consider leaving the Big Ten. But Notre Dame and Penn State together would make the ACC very attractive to networks. I agree with that, Ken. You make a valid point about UConn and Calhoun and their football. Rutgers is actually pretty attractive. If it weren't for the recent mess at Penn State, I would be all for them coming in...but they need to make a complete overhaul first. |
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Post by Ken D on Mar 1, 2012 17:49:51 GMT -5
Actually, it is the mess at Penn State that gives me the slightest shred of hope that they could be persuaded to join Pitt and Notre Dame in the ACC. Perhaps it might be viewed as taken a symbolic step to begin the overhaul process. If we could persuade Notre Dame to come in at the same time, perhaps the trustees at PSU would want to borrow a little of ND's image as a school that does things right.
As for the Irish and their current TV deals, they may well fear that they won't be as lucrative in the future if they stay independent. My offer to them would be that they share the conference tv revenue equally, but be allowed to negotiate their own deal for their non-conference games. I think somebody would pony up some nice change for the rights to ND-USC and ND-Michigan. Even Purdue and Navy, two other traditional rivals, wouldn't be bad tv draws either.
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Post by Ken D on Mar 1, 2012 17:51:36 GMT -5
BTW, Tizu, I think it's neat that you have already amassed 100 Karma points. Did you do that on your own, or did you have help from John Swofford? I hear he has a lot of clout.  |
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Post by Tizu on Mar 1, 2012 20:50:16 GMT -5
BTW, Tizu, I think it's neat that you have already amassed 100 Karma points. Did you do that on your own, or did you have help from John Swofford? I hear he has a lot of clout. LOL! I guess I did give myself a bit of an unfair advantage. I'll take it back down to 0, and just for that, I'll give you 5! |
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Post by mattncsu02 on Mar 3, 2012 0:30:43 GMT -5
Notre Dame would be a huge score for the ACC! I don't like the idea of UCONN. We already have enough basketball strength (well, maybe not this year, but usually). What we need is more football strength, and UCONN won't help that at all. Penn State would be much better, but I agree that it's going to be tough for them to leave the Big 10.
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Post by Ken D on Mar 3, 2012 10:15:48 GMT -5
Notre Dame would be a huge score for the ACC! I don't like the idea of UCONN. We already have enough basketball strength (well, maybe not this year, but usually). What we need is more football strength, and UCONN won't help that at all. Penn State would be much better, but I agree that it's going to be tough for them to leave the Big 10. I agree. I think Penn State leaving the Big Ten is the longest of shots. What I have a very hard time imagining is what the Chancellor and Trustees would say to their fans why they thought it was a good idea to go to the ACC. IMO, there is nothing the way the ACC is presently constituted that would justify it. But if you add Notre Dame and in-state rival Pitt,you have something to sell. And now, you have something big to change the topic of conversation in Happy Valley. It's still a long shot, but no longer unthinkable, in my view. |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Mar 3, 2012 10:33:18 GMT -5
"Across the board", I like the idea on Notre Dame and Penn State the best.
To start, I wasn't thrilled with expansion but, if it's going to happen anyway, I do feel it should eventually go to to 16 just for "even numbers" reasons. Of course, that would have a direct effect on the ACC tournament, and I would think everyone would be wary of any adverse effect on teams moving forward into the NCAA tournament.
Notre Dame has national pub, and basketball and football are their staples. Penn State is football pretty much through and through, and the current scandal would have nothing to do with the ACC at large just as it currently has nothing to do with the Big Ten at large.
Agree with Ken that Pitt being in the ACC suddenly makes the thought of Penn State not only much more interesting but more "possible" as well.
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Post by Ken D on Mar 3, 2012 11:18:58 GMT -5
"Across the board", I like the idea on Notre Dame and Penn State the best. To start, I wasn't thrilled with expansion but, if it's going to happen anyway, I do feel it should eventually go to to 16 just for "even numbers" reasons. Of course, that would have a direct effect on the ACC tournament, and I would think everyone would be wary of any adverse effect on teams moving forward into the NCAA tournament. Notre Dame has national pub, and basketball and football are their staples. Penn State is football pretty much through and through, and the current scandal would have nothing to do with the ACC at large just as it currently has nothing to do with the Big Ten at large. Agree with Ken that Pitt being in the ACC suddenly makes the thought of Penn State not only much more interesting but more "possible" as well. The ACC tournament seems to be the one thing most ACC fans regret about expansion. When we had 8 schools, the tourney had an intimate feeling to it that is lacking today. And eight schools was a good number for ticket distribution, too. Tix were hard to come by, and that helped booster club fund raising. Trying to put fans of all 16 schools in one place is problematic for any normal sized arena. And the giant domes just aren't cut out for basketball. If you are basically going to watch the game on a screen anyway, you might as well put your money into a giant flat screen TV. Then raise the possibility of a team having to win four games in four days and still be fresh enough for the NCAA, and your problems are compounded. My suggestion for dealing with that is to have two separate tournaments. played at three different sites. The 8 northern schools (ND, Penn St, Pitt, Syracuse, UVa, VT, Md and BC) play at Madison Square Garden. The 8 southern schools play in Atlanta. These prelims are held the first Sat and Sun in March (that is, this weekend) and each of these mini tourneys produce two teams to play a final four in Charlotte on selection weekend. Most fans would be able to drive to the first two games, and every team could have a vocal contingent on hand to cheer them on. All the teams would have plenty of rest, and the Final Four would be a ratings bonanza for the network that bids for it. You could presell some tickets to the final weekend to the general public and leave 2000 - 2500 per school to the semifinalists. I think that format would restore some of the excitement and intimacy to the tourney and raise some big bucks. But that's just my fantasy. |
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 3, 2012 20:11:48 GMT -5
I think any additional expansion northward would mandate a name change for the ACC. It is no longer the Atlantic Coast anything and the addition of Notre Dame/UConn/Rutgers would only further destroy the identity of what was once a great conference.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Mar 3, 2012 21:56:41 GMT -5
Once again, Ken wrote it better than I could ever imagine.
The "split" tournament idea sounds very intriguing.
I also agree with oldtimer that the good ol' ACC is gone and, sadly, doesn't appear to be coming back. I could certainly understand adding Georgia Tech to replace South Carolina, as it brought back "even" numbers but, ever since, it's been growing just for the sake of getting bigger. I know, I know - change or die, but it sure ain't as good as it used to be.
Go Pack
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Post by Ken D on Mar 7, 2012 15:05:34 GMT -5
Reports today are that Temple will join the Big East next season. That gets them to 8 schools for the coming season, including Pitt and Syracuse, and to 12 the following season, assuming those schools are allowed to join the ACC that year.
But it also means that they will be at 13 schools for football when Navy joins in 2015, and that they will be at 18 for basketball next season. What does that say about their future plans? Are they expecting to get to 16 for football, or do they expect to lose one somewhere to bring them back to 12?
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 7, 2012 20:23:08 GMT -5
In my opinion, the expansion frenzy is killing the history and rivalries of established conferences. I am sure new rivalries will be created among the Super 16 team conferences. However, for oldtimers like myself, the luster will be gone forever. These new Super Conferences are for the young who have no history to speak of and only relate to the last 10 years of sports rivalries. Gone forever are the good old days when neighboring schools packed stadiums and areanas to cheer on their schools.
For a side note, if you don't think Penn State, Pitt, Notre Dame, et al don't look down on Southern Universities and athletic programs, you haven't been out of your home state enough recently.
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Post by mattncsu02 on Mar 7, 2012 22:11:46 GMT -5
Great idea on the split tournament Ken D.
Oldtimer, I'm not that old, but I remember the days of the ACC when it was just 8 teams, and yes, it was better back then.
Oh, and those yankee universities that look down on us "good ol' boys" can kiss my southern behind. One of my favorite bumperstickers of all time was on a Jeep and it said, "Teach a yankee to drive, point his car North."
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 8, 2012 19:57:48 GMT -5
My favorite bumper sticker said..."I don't give a damn how you did it up North!"
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Mar 8, 2012 20:46:10 GMT -5
My favorite bumper sticker said..."I don't give a damn how you did it up North!" They'll all just settle in Cary anyway. You know - C.A.R.Y. |
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Post by Tizu on Mar 9, 2012 18:19:49 GMT -5
My favorite bumper sticker said..."I don't give a damn how you did it up North!" They'll all just settle in Cary anyway. You know - C.A.R.Y. Containment Area for Relocated Yankees |
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Post by mattncsu02 on Mar 9, 2012 22:48:29 GMT -5
They'll all just settle in Cary anyway. You know - C.A.R.Y. Containment Area for Relocated Yankees Haha! Love it! ;D |
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Post by kdub on Mar 16, 2012 8:28:17 GMT -5
If the ACC expands to 16 (which seems likely), I don't know that I like the "expanded" tournament. I foresee something along the lines of this: 1-8 seeds play 9-16 at home on Tuesday. This leaves Wednesday/Thursday for travel to the site of the centralized ACC Tournament. Round of 8 starts on Friday and culminates on Selection Sunday with a championship game.
Of course, given how early the ACC likes to sell tickets, this probably won't work.
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