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Post by Ken D on Apr 2, 2013 20:12:26 GMT -5
Well, there. Aren't you glad you got that off your chest?  So, bottom line - where do you think Purvis winds up? |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 2, 2013 20:24:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I was home sick today and had time to kill.  As far as Purvis, don't know and don't care but I keep seeing UConn. cvholt87 seems to know quite a bit, even posted on RAL recently that Alex Murphy from Duke was at his house sometime in December; I don't know who cvholt87 is or what he does, but he implies quite often he has some sort of inside scoop on one topic or another and, to me, more often than not, he's either right or close to it. He's the first one that posted UConn (that I saw, anyway). I don't wish Rodney Purvis any ill will, I thank him for his time at and contribution to NC State but if he doesn't want to be here (regardless of the reason), I don't want him here. |
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Post by cvholt87 on Apr 3, 2013 3:45:57 GMT -5
Ken, your first post is spot on. Purvis' big problem was that he was promised quite a few things, many of which did not come true. Keep in mind, he committed before he ever saw Gottfried coach a single game at NCSU. When he signed, he knew State would be a rebuilding project after Harrow's departure and it would be a place where he could make an immediate impact. He was promised a dual PG role where he would have the ball in his hands constantly, regardless if he was a 1 or a 2. His "big thing" was that he was promised to be a slasher, someone to drive to the basket, which was his game. However, that's not how the high post offense works. The 2 is more of a shooter, especially when you have the kind of weapons State did. This reduced Purvis' time to more of a role player, which did not sit well with Purvis' camp.
When Zo went down, Purvis got his shot at PG (as promised) but struggled. The team responded better with Lewis at PG and Purvis' minutes were reduced. The fact that his game didn't really fit the high post offense hurt his minutes even more and TJ was inserted into the lineup. It was all downhill from there. Purvis responded poorly coming off the bench and his stats showed it. This is when his mothers actions became a problem. She constantly emailed the AD, openly criticized Gottfried on his use of Purvis on twitter (even tweeting these things at Rod), and was rumored to have stopped coming to games when Rodney wasn't starting. Obviously, for someone in Rodney's position (his mom is all he has), this is a big deal. It apparently got to the point to where he openly told a player on another team during the ACC tournament that he was going to transfer. If you look back at the Miami game, he was sitting on the other side of the reserves next to the trainer. That's ridiculous.
The problem now is that Lewis is unhappy that Gottfried gave Purvis a shot at the point over him in combination with something he promised Barber. He's 50/50 on leaving right now with how things stand. That's HUGE considering how steadfast his commitment was during the coaching change. He was the one kid who was sold on the school, not the coach, and was constantly recruiting others to join State (see Amile). I honestly think that if he didn't have to sit out a year, he'd be gone. And that's not what you want on your team, someone who's there because he HAS to be, not because he wants to be.
I think you'll see Lewis decide first, followed by Warren. In my opinion, both will stay.
I also look for Desmond Lee to replace Purvis, he decides sometime on Thursday. He's down to Creighton and State, but I can't really see him passing up a starting spot in the ACC. I also think State will land 2 more players, one being Josh Davis. The other player will hopefully be a post player but I have no idea who that would be at this point. The 4 and the 5 position are not encouraging right now with 2 freshman, a potential sophomore, and Vandenberg. I pull for Vandenberg but the kid just isn't ACC caliber. State's main competition in recruiting him was Utah Valley, whoever that is.
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Post by cvholt87 on Apr 3, 2013 16:28:36 GMT -5
Lewis tweeted earlier that he was staying and Giglio just broke news that TJ decided to stay as well.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 3, 2013 18:18:12 GMT -5
Good news - I didn't "want" any of them to leave. Will be interesting next season, no doubt.
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Post by mattncsu02 on Apr 3, 2013 22:03:42 GMT -5
Great news about Lewis and Warren.
By the way, Mary, that post was epic! You pretty much captured the thoughts of many, many Pack fans. If wanting to be competitive is delusional, then save me a bed in the nut house.
I'm really, really tired of having to "wait and see" who comes back every year. The rule about going for one year before being eligible for the draft has done nothing but hurt college basketball. I'm all for adopting the same rule as baseball.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 4, 2013 6:07:32 GMT -5
You called me "Mary". Damn. |
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Post by cvholt87 on Apr 8, 2013 13:30:50 GMT -5
I'd expect something to come of Desmond Lee's decision today |
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Post by cvholt87 on Apr 8, 2013 14:04:38 GMT -5
Annnnd Lee just announced his commitment to NC State. Big pick up, but expected.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 8, 2013 16:32:39 GMT -5
Haven't seen any footage of him yet, but everything I've read has him down as a dynamite shooter. He has two years' eligibility left? Thinking maybe he slides into Scott Wood's role, hopefully with more movement and better defense, loved Wood as a player for us but what the hey, if Lee is better then State will be better.
Thanks for hanging out with us, SeeVee, and thanks for your info. Appreciated!
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Post by Ken D on Apr 8, 2013 18:56:56 GMT -5
Haven't seen any footage of him yet, but everything I've read has him down as a dynamite shooter. He has two years' eligibility left? Thinking maybe he slides into Scott Wood's role, hopefully with more movement and better defense, loved Wood as a player for us but what the hey, if Lee is better then State will be better. Thanks for hanging out with us, SeeVee, and thanks for your info. Appreciated! If Gott can snag Josh Lewis, I'd say that State has enough horses to contend for a double bye in next year's ACCT. That's assuming they don't have a rash of injuries. They would have a solid eight man rotation, and good players at every position. And chemistry almost has to be better than it was this year. |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 8, 2013 20:09:43 GMT -5
I feel the same way - we've heard several times Michigan was the youngest team in the field when the bracket was set, and they've done pretty good so far.
Am I saying State goes Final Four next year? Absolutely not, but in this accursed "one-and-done" era young isn't necessarily bad. Ken, yet again, you're all over it regarding chemistry. I'm not throwing anybody under the bus, but it seemed to be a "foregone conclusion" that Leslie was a prima donna and when he wasn't "engaged" it brought the whole team down. Yet, over about the last week, right or wrong, I've been seeing a lot where Purvis was making all kinds of waves when he lost his starting job, etc., etc., etc. There were times when his "freelance" style would fit into what State wanted to do, but unless he's time-warping back to Loyola Marymount's heyday he is going to HAVE to play half-court offense and learn to care about defense. If he's gonna be a "slasher", upping the FT% to something north of 65 would probably help too. I do wish him the best of luck, and I would like to thank him for his contribution to NC State this past season.
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Post by Ken D on Apr 9, 2013 6:56:37 GMT -5
Marty (can I call you Marty, or do you prefer Mary? )I don't see State being that young next year. With Davis, I would see a starting lineup of Davis (PF, Sr), Anya (C, Fr), Warren (SF/PF, So), Lee (SG, Jr) and Barber (PG, Fr). Coming off the bench you have Lewis (PG, So), Turner (SG/SF, Jr), Washington (PF, Fr) and Vandenberg (C, RS Sr). That's not young by today's standards in the power conferences. |
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Post by mattncsu02 on Apr 9, 2013 22:24:12 GMT -5
Sorry Marty! That was a typo I didn't catch. My bad. Anyway, great pick up with Lee! The Pack may not be too bad next year. I was worried about all the departures and where it would put the team, but it looks like the Pack is going to have some good talent filling the bench. |
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on Apr 10, 2013 5:57:15 GMT -5
Thanks, Ken - "Marty" will suffice. Matt -  Ha! Matt, I think you're right. Maybe the "hype" surrounding this group won't be as crazy, but if they play more like a cohesive team the end result could still be better. This is still a TEAM game. Go Pack Mary - out. |
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Post by mattncsu02 on Apr 11, 2013 22:39:29 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest things that hurt the Pack last year was the expectations. It's almost like they tried to play up to the "hype" instead of playing together and getting the job done. Think of all the foolish passes that ended up in turnovers and missed dunks. Hey, don't worry about being flashy, just win the damn game!
Hopefully next season's group won't have too much pre-season build up and they can focus on playing together and getting W's.
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Post by Tizu on Apr 12, 2013 6:51:55 GMT -5
NC State's hype is already starting for next year because of the Lee commit and others coming in. Gottfried and staff need to curb that with the players and tell them if they don't play with heart and passion, then they don't play at all. Period. Perfect example - Austin Rivers of Duke last year. He started getting that attitude where it was about him and to hell with the team...his production dropped and he was hurting the overall performance of the team. K benched him. He still played, but he didn't start for a few games until he got his act together. It sends messages not only to the player involved but to the rest of the team as a whole that "coach ain't playin'". Gottfried (in my opinion) is a good coach, but he seems to be too friendly with the players. Be their coach, not their friend. Like a parent to their children, you can't be their friends, you have to be the parent, gain respect, earn playing time, etc.
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Post by Ken D on Apr 12, 2013 9:40:42 GMT -5
A difference between this year and next is that the hype (I prefer to say enthusiasm) about next year's team is coming from fans, who, until just a couple of weeks ago, were afraid they were staring at disaster after losing five players from a seven man team. Now they have reason to be optimistic.
The hype about this year's team was more media driven. And the media don't like to be proven wrong when they jump on the wrong bandwagon. Just like they fueled the hype (not enthusiasm), they also led the charge in declaring State an underachieving team. I think what they got was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Post by cvholt87 on Apr 15, 2013 11:15:57 GMT -5
Josh Davis doesn't appear to have worked out in State's favor. I was really hoping we could get him but things just didn't work out. Anyways thanks for the welcome Mary, glad to be hangin with y'all.
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Post by mattncsu02 on Apr 17, 2013 21:35:22 GMT -5
What happened with Davis? Dang!
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