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Post by jgunn on May 10, 2013 17:17:30 GMT -5
Offense numbers seem to be getting lower each year. We all see things that maybe need to be change to make the game better. I think the hand checking on the man dribbling the ball needs to be changed. I don't like when the defensive player constantly has one of his hands on the dribbler. Also, the sliding over to take a charge needs to be changed. Just my opinion. Anyone else? Cuss, you read my mind! I really don't like all the hand checking going on in the college game. And don't get me started with the charge/block calls. That little semi circle hasn't solved the problem at all. I would be in favor of making the ENTIRE area from the 3-point line all the way to the basket a "no call" zone.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on May 10, 2013 18:48:04 GMT -5
Bold, Gunny - I like it.
Defense wins championships, but you still have to score. That's the reason the lane was made into a rectangle to begin with, then widened, same for adding the three-point line and a shot clock. Nobody, other than Ohio State and Wisconsin fans, like to watch 38-33 games. Pathetic.
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Post by mattncsu02 on May 11, 2013 13:18:23 GMT -5
Right on Marty! I like high scoring games. Especially if the Pack has a high score, and the Tarheels do not. Of course, that doesn't happen very often.
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Post by cuss on May 12, 2013 9:00:45 GMT -5
I was wondering, if y'all liked the new rule changes? I think the charging rule will be a good change. Something needed to be done and this is an attempted to get it right. The elbow rule I think was better without change. With the change, there will just be more argument when a call is borderline and no flagrant foul is called. Also, I think the rule the way it is now helps protect the players. I like the increase monitoring during the last 2 minutes of the game. For me this is a good idea to get the call right and I don't think it will slow the game down a lot. I wish they had done something about the hand checking. If they really want to increase scoring, that's where they should focus. The other thing they should do is make the calls. The players will adjust.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on May 12, 2013 19:35:08 GMT -5
Must admit, cuss, don't know about the rules changes you write of, will look into those to catch up.
Of course, can't help but agree with you on this: "The other thing they should do is make the calls."
NO rule is worth anything if it's not enforced. If the breaking of the rule is allowed, may just as well do away with the rule.
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Post by cuss on May 12, 2013 19:44:23 GMT -5
Must admit, cuss, don't know about the rules changes you write of, will look into those to catch up. Of course, can't help but agree with you on this: "The other thing they should do is make the calls." NO rule is worth anything if it's not enforced. If the breaking of the rule is allowed, may just as well do away with the rule. They aren't approved, they are proposed, and will be voted on June the 18th, but you're right. If none of them are making the calls, then none of them are any good.
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Post by Marty Da Hungry Wolf on May 12, 2013 20:24:12 GMT -5
Gotcha - thanks.
Yeah I'm a State fan, and yeah, Gottfried does it too, but I'd like to see this - kind of like the home plate umpire warning each bench on a perceived high-and-tight pitch or even a hit batsman, I would favor a rule (IF IT"S ENFORCED) whereby the first time a coach is outside the coaching box during play, he gets a verbal warning and it's announced at the first immediate dead-ball opportunity. Next time, technical foul and ejection. Don't care if he's yelling at a ref or trying to get one of his player's attention. Outside the box once, warning - outside twice, technical and ejection (no "three strikes and you're out").
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Post by Ken D on May 13, 2013 8:20:26 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled about the changes to the use of monitors in the last two minutes. I can envision this segment of the game lasting twenty minutes or more, and coaches getting many more "free" timeouts while officials review plays. This isn't fan friendly, and reinforces the idea that calls made during the first 38 minutes are less important than calls made later.
Coaches in football are allowed to challenge calls, but they have a limited number of challenges. Why not let basketball coaches do the same? If they think a call is bad, they can challenge. If they've used up their challenges earlier in the game, they don't have any left at crunch time. One concession I would make to the clock is that if you challenge successfully in the last two minutes you aren't charged with the challenge.
As for the blocking rule, I can't say that I see much change at all. I'm with gunny here - have a sizable area near the basket (maybe a 10 foot radius) which is a no-call zone with respect to block/charge calls.
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Post by Tizu on May 15, 2013 7:26:37 GMT -5
Good stuff / ideas here. I definitely agree the hand checking, charge/block calls need to looked at. Hand checking has really gotten out of control and I agree that a defender sliding under an offensive player should always be a block...feet set or not. I hate the charge call in situations like that. Yes, even my time is the recipient of it. It's killing the game. Charge calls shouldn't be gotten rid of completely...if a player lowers his shoulder and rams into a defender - that's a charge and should be called.
With regard to the last 2 minute deal - I agree with Ken's idea. Give the coaches challenges to use during the game...one in each half. The last 2 minutes of close games drag on forever as it is, this will only make it worse.
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